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Started by Heikki Jokipii, 24.04.10 - klo:10:54

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Heikki Jokipii

Kun mm. torjunta-ainejäämät ovat äärimmäisen pieniä, yhteisvaikutusteoriasta on luomupiireissä tullut kovasti suosittu.

Hank Campbell siitä:

Viewpoint: ‘Chemical cocktail’ speculation is homeopathic hysteria

QuoteBlood samples of pregnant women have detectable levels of chemicals and that ‘chemical cocktail’ may pose [a] “neurotoxic risk”, according to a paper published in Science whose senior author is strangely on the board of reviewing editors at Science.

This “chemical cocktail” nomenclature has been popular among activists like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and other environmental lawyers for decades because it needs no science, it instead means science ‘needs more testing’, and there will never be enough testing.

Despite no harm in homeopathic levels of hundreds of chemicals found in blood samples collected from 2006 to 2008, they [declared] a “toxic exposome” may be causing disease and developmental disorders in kids who were exposed to these endocrine-disrupting and neurotoxic substances.
(lihav. HJ)

Ja mitkä aineet tällöin usein vapautetaan epäilyistä (jo etukäteen, lihav. HJ):

QuoteUsing their custom version of toxic, they blast the A-Team of Progressive Chemical Scaremongering: chemicals, except those certified organic; pesticides, except those certified organic; pharmaceuticals, we must assume they didn’t get the message that the left suddenly loves Big Pharma now; cosmetics like makeup and skin cream; food, like the “ultra-processed” and seed oils that are popular to demonize on social media; and for anything else not covered a blanket endogenous compounds.

Heikki Jokipii

Hank Campbell hänestä (ja Trumpin hallinnossa muotoutuvasta linjasta) edelleen:

No, the modern world is not killing us"Viewpoint: RFK. Jr.’s reckless war on food and agriculture

QuoteRobert F. Kennedy, Jr. and his Children’s Defense Fund and his work as a trial lawyer for Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) has always been in a war against science. He has been at war for decades. He sued over the COVID-19 vaccine, as you’d expect from his wealthy white perch where organic food and supplement shoppers also reside, but really only shot to prominence outside the anti-vaccine and organic food industry when he abandoned his presidential campaign and endorsed Republican Donald Trump.

His goal, he claimed, was a spin on Make America Great Again " Make America Healthy Again.

It’s laudable. With cigarettes continuing to decline and government finally getting serious about the addictive carcinogen that gets a cultural free pass " alcohol " obesity could surpass both and become the top lifestyle killer.

Yet Kennedy doesn’t want to help humans violate our biological mandate due to hundreds of thousands of years of evolution " we don’t know when our next meal will be, eat what you can now " and encourage us to treat food like an essential commodity, he wants to ban gimmicks and populist fads like “ultra-processed food”, whatever that means this week. Just like when he worked at NRDC or when the Obama administration gave his solar company a gigantic payday for nothing.(1)

One thing that “ultra-processed” and “organic pesticides” and others face is that their claims are only based on epidemiology. No science involved. You just have to believe.

If Big Pharma and Big Food and Big Chemical are all looking for new ways to kill us (or at least make us ill so Big Medicine can make money treating us), where are the bodies?

Aivan. Hän ei toimi Suomessa. Mutta olemme monesti nähneet, miten nopeasti erilaiset hysteriat liikkuvat USA:sta Suomeen.

Heikki Jokipii

#737
Tässä sen läpikäynti, mitkä torjunta-aineet ovat luomussa sallittuja:

The list of organic pesticides approved by the USDA

Sehän on jo monesti todettu, että hyväksymiskriteerinä ei ole turvalllisuus.

Käsittääkseni USA:n ja EU:n luomusäännöt eivät vielä toisistaan eroa.

Heikki Jokipii

Quote from: Heikki Jokipii on 17.11.24 - klo:03:30
Tuohon perään GLP:ssä esitetty (odotteleva) arvio:

Viewpoint: Will Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s health, food and farming policies be as wacky and dangerous as his public statements? America is about to find out

Ted Nordhaus jo soittaa hälytyskelloja:

Viewpoint: How to devolutionize American food and agriculture"RFK, Jr. has a clear disaster of a plan. Don’t say we haven’t been warned

QuoteKennedy claims to have the nation’s health in mind. But his core vision would increase the cost of all food, healthy and unhealthy, while dismantling an agricultural system that leads the world in efficiency. When he proposes to shift our food system toward “organic, regenerative agriculture,” what that means is abandoning synthetic fertilizers and virtually all other chemical inputs to American agriculture. When he proposes to shift toward grass-fed and pasture-raised meat, that means replacing our abundance of affordable meat with high-priced alternatives for which there is no significant evidence of improved human health outcomes. These practices also typically bring far worse environmental impacts.

Kennedy’s opposition to high-productivity agriculture mirrors the positions of far-left environmental groups and advocates, such as Vandana Shiva, who use anticapitalist rhetoric to advocate against modern food systems in favor of traditional production systems that cost more and produce less. Shiva was the architect of Sri Lanka’s agricultural crisis of 2021, which saw the country ban imports of synthetic fertilizer and pesticides and attempt to shift to organic and regenerative agriculture. The consequences of the ban were disastrous: Productivity dropped 50%, and food prices shot up, impoverishing the nation’s citizens.

Heikki Jokipii

Tässä, jos mahdollista, vieläkin edellistäkin pelottavampi visio Kennedyn valinnan seurauksista:

Viewpoint: New Health and Human Services Secretary RFK, Jr. " America’s health, food and farming nightmare begins

Tämä vertaus ei ehkä toimi kovin pitkälle:

QuoteThe parallels between Kennedy and Lysenko are uncanny, but unlike the Stalin-Lysenko relationship, Trump and Kennedy have voiced starkly contrasting views on numerous issues. Kennedy has claimed he wants to impose strict regulations over what he calls Big Ag and Big Food; Trump campaigned on a promise to deregulate everything, and has been hailed by the far right as a champion of Corporate America. It will be interesting to see how two titans of disinformation work through starkly opposite positions. Our guess: opportunism of the worst kind will help them find common ground, science and the public interest e damned.

RFK, Jr also maligns crop chemicals, all of which are tightly regulated by the agencies that he is now attempting to hobble. His stated intentions to “provide an off-ramp” to large-acreage agronomic farmers and promote organic and ‘regenerative’ methods has a catastrophic parallel. In 2019, under the guidance of Indian philosopher Vandana Shiva, the government of Sri Lanka abruptly banned synthetic fertilizers and many crop protection chemicals. Within two years, ag production dwindled, exports dried up, rioting erupted, and the economy crashed. It’s still in a depression.

Mutta tuossa tulee tuo ristiriita esille.

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Yhteistä noille kahdelle kritiikille on viittaus Sri Lankaan. Maailmalla on huonosti varaa vastaavaan kokeiluun USA:ssa. USA on aina hyvine satoineen toiminut maailman ruokakriisien pehmentäjänä. On karmivaa ajatella, että globaali ruokakriisi nyt voisi alkaa USA:sta.

Heikki Jokipii

Trump itse ruokapolitiikasta (tässä ei ole kyse torjunta-aineista tai luomusta):

Viewpoint: Trump is pushing ‘America FIrst’ across policy sectors including food and farming. Why that’s not a great idea

QuoteAn America First food system would promote eating seasonally and locally, supporting more small farmers in the process. But that is not how most people eat now. Eating America First would restrict the variety that shoppers have come to expect; eating fresh blueberries year-round would be impossible. Barring the overhaul of all U.S. agriculture, it would mean a less healthy diet, too. The guac-ocalypse near miss was a reminder of the precarious state of our food system: Much of the food we want is not produced at home.

[T] he U.S. does already produce enough food to feed itself, and then some. About 4,000 calories’ worth of food a day were available for each person in 2010, according to the USDA’s most recent estimate; that year, the average person consumed 2,500 calories a day. But food is more than just calories. The U.S. produces plenty of grains, oils, sweeteners, and meat, but far less fresh produce and legumes; in recent years, the country has become a net importer of food. “The food group that we produce the least of to meet our dietary needs is fruits and vegetables,” Conrad said. In 2022, 69 percent of the fresh vegetables and 51 percent of the fresh fruits imported by the U.S. came from Mexico. Meat, canola oil, and, uh, biscuits and wafers account for most of the U.S. imports from Canada, but 20 percent of this country’s fresh-vegetable imports come from there, too.



The problems with an America First food system wouldn’t just be about cost. It would lack diversity….
(lihav. HJ. Kilokaloreita varmaan tarkoitettiin)

Mutta jos tuohon vielä liittää Kennedyn sekoilut (ks. edellä), niin kyllä jonkin sortin alamäkeä on USA:hankin pedattu. Vaan ei siitä noilla... eväillä voi kyllä varsinaista nälkäkriisiä tulla.

Mutta kuten niin monen asian kohdalla Trumpin kanssa, ei yhtään tiedä, mitä tuosta lopulta tulee!  8)

Heikki Jokipii

Mikään ei tunnu olevan Trumpin suhteen varmaa:

GLP podcast: Will Trump let RFK, Jr. ‘go wild on the food’? A farmer forecasts the future of US agriculture

Tuo on siis pääosin saatavissa vain podcastina eli pakko kuunnella.

QuoteTew Health and Human Services (HHS) secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has never hesitated to attack modern agriculture. Though most infamous for his opposition to vaccines, the career trial lawyer and environmental activist has played a pivotal role in litigation against Bayer alleging that its weedkiller Roundup causes cancer, spurring thousands of lawsuits against the company and costing it billions of dollars. Kennedy has also argued that the introduction of genetically engineered crops “vastly increased” the use of chemicals in agriculture, a long-debunked myth that wrongly maligns American farmers and deceives the public about the safety of their food.

As HHS secretary, RFK, Jr. wields significant influence over food safety regulation"a realization that has many scientists worried. But the situation is complicated by the fact that Kennedy is surprisingly popular on the political right, including among farmers, despite his reputation as a lifelong progressive with a history of attacking their profession.

Heikki Jokipii

#742
Mutta huomaan, että Suomessa luomuväki odottaa innolla, mitä Kennedyn myötä USA:n viljelyssä tapahtuu. Mm. Facebookissa. Esimerkki:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1152414782899409/?s=single_unit

Jota Ira Hellsten kommentoi näin:

https://www.facebook.com/ira.hellsten/?locale=fi_FI

QuoteIra Hellsten
11. tammikuu  ·
Tämähän kuullostaa hyvältä suunnalta maataloudelle… toivottavasti muutosten tekeminen onnistuu. 👍

Heikki Jokipii

Uhkakuvia lisää:

Viewpoint: Environmental activists, food elitists and trial lawyers profiterring on science disinformation put American farmers and U.S. agricultural policy at risk.

QuoteYet critics of American agriculture are spreading half-truths and outright lies. They claim we poison the Earth and the food we raise. That is an insult"and attack"on everyone who works the land and the extensive independent research supporting sound practices. Today we use significantly less fertilizer, pesticides, fuel, and labor than at any time in our history. In doing so, we have increased productivity and fed growing populations here and abroad while protecting our planet.

Unfortunately, these critics are gaining credibility with some segments of the public and within the political establishment. A video [by Robeert F. Kennedyl, Jr.] filmed [last fall] in front of USDA offices in Washington, D.C."and [still] circulating widely on social media"calling for reversing decades of progress and agriculture policies should be a warning call for anyone who cares about agriculture.

[RFK. Jr. and like-minded] critics talk about how to “Make America Healthy Again.” But they offer only one idea"a politicized and restrictive interpretation of regenerative farming. Their version of farming opposes innovation and productivity, claiming it will preserve and protect the land.

Their approach has been tried around the world, with experiments put into practice in Africa, Asia, and other places. The results are rising food prices, unsafe food, and the deterioration of our environment.

The same idea was at the heart of the “Farm to Fork” program in Europe a few years ago and similar mandated practices in Sri Lanka. The European Union (EU) program and policy shifts in Sri Lanka were not based on science, led to complicated regulations, and proved unworkable. Farmers across the continent protested. Just in the past few weeks, the Europeans decided to scrap Farm to Fork. The outcomes in Sri Lanka were worse with food insecurity that led to civil violence and the fall of their government.

Kirjoittaja ei odota asiaa mitenkään innostuneesti.

Heikki Jokipii

#744
Kennedyn muita seurauksia:

Lehdet: Yhdysvaltain rokotejohtaja painostettiin eroon

QuoteYhdysvaltain ruoka- ja lääkeviraston FDA:n rokotejohtaja Peter Marks on eronnut tehtävistään.

Wall Street Journalin ja New York Timesin tietojen mukaan Marks syrjäytettiin. Hän sai vaihtoehdoiksi joko irtisanoutumisen tai erottamisen.

Marks kirjoitti Wall Street Journalin mukaan erokirjeessään, että terveysministeri Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ei ole kiinnostunut totuudesta tai läpinäkyvyydestä. Sen sijaan ministeri haluaa Marksin mukaan vahvistusta omille väärille tiedoilleen ja valheilleen.

Marksilla oli tärkeä rooli koronarokotusten toteuttamisessa presidentti Donald Trumpin edellisen kauden aikana.

Kennedy on tunnettu rokotevastaisista väitteistään.

Kyllä. Menee sivuun otsikosta. Mutta antanee taustaa maatalousasioihinkin. Ja selityksen edellä kuvatulle epätoivolle.

Heikki Jokipii

#745
Hesarissa. Luomumansikoiden puffi, piilomainos?

Mansikoista ja hedelmistä löytyy runsaasti torjunta-aineiden jäämiä. Valvonta­pomo suosii luomua

Tämän hän tietää tehtävänsä kautta:

QuoteKemikaalijäämiä on varsinkin tuontituotteissa niin usein, että Tullin tuoteturvallisuuspäällikkö Jonna Savander kertoo suosivansa omissa ostoksissaan kotimaista luomua.

Vaikka yksittäisen torjunta-aineen raja-arvo ei ole tuotteessa ylittynyt, kemikaalien määrä voi olla suuri, koska yhdessä tuotteessa voi olla monen aineen jäämiä, Savander sanoo.

Kotimaisissa elintarvikkeissa torjunta-aineiden jäämiä on vähän ja enimmäismäärien ylityksiä harvoin. Merkkejä aineiden käytöstä löytyy silti säännöllisesti.
(lihav. HJ)

Myöntää täytyy, että marjojen ja hedelmien hyödyt ylittävät pienet haitat, joita niissä olevista jäämistä voisi tulla.

Mutta sitten mansikkaan. Ja luomumansikkaan, jossa jäämiä ei pitäisi olla lainkaan.

Sitten artikkelissa käytetään kaikki pelotteluklisheet, toteamalla aineiden yhteismäärät Suomessa, ja viittaamalla yhteisvaikutuksiin, joista ei kuulemma tiedä kukaan. Lopputulema on kuitenkin tämä:

QuoteViranomaisvalvonnan tarkoituksena on varmistaa, että Suomessa voi käyttää huoletta tuontielintarvikkeita. Jäämistä eri tuotteissa on hyvä tietää, mutta huolissaan ei tarvitse olla, Tullin Savander sanoo.

Sama tietysti kotimaisten tuotteiden osalta, joista tuskin koskaan löytyy vaarallisia ylityksiä. Minkä takia muuten tuollaisista on hyvä tietää? Muunnelmamme Aisopoksen sadusta tulee taas mieleen:

Paimenpoika ja susi -satu nykyajan tapaan?


Heikki Jokipii

Amerikkalaiset, USA:laiset eivät ole tästä huolissaan:

Poll: Few voters concerned about pesticide use in agriculture

QuoteFifty-seven percent of national voters agreed that farmer control over weeds, diseases and pests on crops keeps food affordable, according to a poll exclusively obtained by the Daily Caller. Out of the 1,000 voters surveyed, only nine percent considered government regulation over farmer use of pesticides to be a priority.

The national poll, from Trump pollster Adam Geller, was commissioned by CropLife America and conducted by Gellers firm National Research Inc. in May.

Eikä tosiasiassa eurooppalaisten ja varsinkaan suomalaisten pitäisi olla. Mutta silloin tällöin huolestuneisuutta täälläkin lietsotaan. Ks. edellä.

Heikki Jokipii

Eivät ole hekään kaikki RFK:n linjoilla:

Viewpoint: Battles erupt among Republicans over food and pesticides

QuoteSome in the Republican Party say they are worried about farmers in their districts who rely on pesticides. And there are apparent concerns within the White House that abrupt regulatory action could trigger supply chain issues.

But at the same time, Republicans are bought in on Making America Healthy Again, and the MAHA movement wants pesticides banned in other countries to be similarly banned here. Or, at the least, they want their constituents to be able to sue makers of popular weed killers like Roundup.
(lihav. HJ)

Tuki suomalaiselta luomuväeltä ei paljon paina.

Heikki Jokipii

#749
Kuinka käy?

MAHA is anti-corporate and chemophobic; Farming in the U.S. is the opposite. What will give?

QuoteEfforts to secure statutory immunity from liability for personal injuries caused by pesticides have converged with massive increases in federal subsidies for chemical-dependent GMO monoculture crops, proposed in the House Reconciliation Bill (AKA the Big, Beautiful Bill), to fuel a bitter conservative battle over the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) agenda. Both initiatives pit industrial agriculture against small family farms and global chemical corporations against food safety proponents.

State legislation shielding chemical manufacturers from legal liability for cancer and other illnesses allegedly caused by pesticides popular with Big Ag conflicts with the recent MAHA Commission Report, which targeted glyphosate, pesticides, and other chemicals for investigation as risks to childrens health.

Tämä alkaa olla asian diagnoosi:

Trump administrations schizophrenic farm policy

Vai olisiko prognoosikin?